ADAMSONIAN

It’s alright if you don’t believe in God. God believes in you and He loves you.

But what if God does not believe in Himself? What if God is an atheist who does not believe in God? After all, God’s first commandment - Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Where in hell did those other gods come from? Who created such gods? If God did create other gods why not believe in such gods also?

Rizal was executed by religious crackpots in authority over life and death during his century. The same religious crackpots in control of minds and hearts of most Filipinos today in our century. Indeed, there was a time when the world was ruled by religion. Every man, woman, and child believed and loved God. Historians refer to it as the Dark Ages. Filipinos today still live in the dark ages. The Philippines is still ruled by religion in general, Christianity in particular.

Had Rizal lived on as a serious reader, the writings of Robert Ingersoll would have made him realized that his belief in the holy trinity was based on nothing but holy baloney. Indeed, in reading the writings of Robert G. Ingersoll, any high school dropout gifted with a little I.Q. could rightly conclude that sacred gimcrackery pretty much characterized the formation of Christianity. Poch Suzara

THE HOLY TRINITY

Robert G. Ingersoll
1833 – 1899

Christ, according to the faith, is the second person of the Trinity, the Father being the first, and the Holy Ghost the third. Each of these three persons is God. Christ is his own father and his own son. The Holy Ghost is neither father nor son, but both. The son was begotten by the father, but existed before he was begotten – just the same before as after.

Christ is just as old as his father, and the father is just as young as his son. The Holy Ghost proceeded, from the Father and Son, but was equal to the Father and Son before he proceeded, that is say, before he existed, but he is of the same age as the other two.

So it is declared that the Father is God and the son is God, and Holy Ghost God and that these three Gods make one God.

According to the celestial multiplication table once one is three, and three times one is one, and according to heavenly subtraction if we take two from three, three are left. The addition is equally peculiar, if we add two to one we have but one. Each is equal to himself as the other two. Nothing ever was, nothing can ever be more perfectly idiotic and absurd than the dogma of the Trinity.

Let me declare that as a devout Atheist, you sound like the real Christian whom Christ came to love, referred to as friend and brother and whom He would gladly make a steward in His Holy house. For in all your definition of who athiests are, you have defined how Christ-like one should be:

Christ accept that heaven is something for which we should work on now – here on earth. That is the reason why He preached the Gospel of Love so that people may love one another and be at Peace in the Love of God here on earth.

Christ accept that we can get no help through prayer, but that we must find within ourselves the inner conviction and strength to meet life, to understand the world rationally, and to enjoy it peacefully. That is why he mentions offering one’s cheek when your enemy slaps you, and why He died silently on the cross instead of launch a rebellion.

Christ accept that only in knowledge of one’s self can we live the life of understanding and fulfillment. Therefore we seek to know fellow-human beings rather than to know supernatural beings. For these same reasons Christ demonstrated His knowledge of His mission and reason for Being. He understood that He had to die so that others may live. He taught us that mending your relationship with your neighbor is more important than sacrifice to God.

Christ know that a hospital should be built instead churches and cathedrals. That is why He cured the lepers and raised the dead more frequent than when He stayed in the Synagogue to pray. That is also why He cured people on Sabbath day.

Christ know that a deed must be done instead of a prayer said. That is why He hates the priests and the elders for being hypocrites.

Christ was involved in life. He did not escape into death. Instead He used death to demonstrate His love and therefore create the effect that we see throughout history.

Christ wants diseases conquered, poverty defeated, and war eliminated. He wants humankind to love and understand mankind. He wants an ethical way of life.

Christ accepts that men cannot rely on a god nor channel action into prayer or wish for an end of man’s troubles in the hereafter. Christ faced His troubles even sacrificing Himself. Though the sacrifice was too great He accepted His reason for Being and carried the cross. He knew that there will be an effect on the here and now only if He dies.

Christ preached and has shown that we are – in a great sense – our brother’s keepers in that we are first, keepers of our own lives; that we are responsible people, and that the job is here and the time is now.

So you see…you are not an athiest after all. You are who Christ wants mankind to be. And I salute you for living in the way of Christ more clearly than most Christians do.

Erwin, as an agnostic, I must say that I am impressed by how you responded to PCS’s post. But i guess christ’s teachings have become muddled because of doctrination by the catholic church and other religious leaders. just my POV

You are right. I agree with you. Most religions have been self-serving, interpreting the teachings of their founders to suit their greed.

Should we hate greed in organized religion, definitely!

Should we reject the fundamental teachings they share.. well that’s another question.

I am in a quest for truth and wisdom and as far I have seen and experienced, there is no One truth, nor is there one ultimate Wisdom.

hmmm… i wonder why mr. Poch has nothing to say to any of this.

PCS, i kinda missed you. hope all’s well with you. remember, God loves you:)

Thanks for this post. I thought I was the only atheist here on our country, let alone an Adamsonian. Keep it up!

mas marami pang mabait na tao kaysa kay Jesus Christ.

Malabo pa rin yung pagpapakamatay ni Kristo sa krus. Ano sense nun? Tapos nabuhay din pagkatapos ng tatlong araw? Ano yun? Ano pa yung weight ng pagkakamatay nya? Kaya siguro di sya pumalag nung hulihin sya.

Mas matapang pa nga si Rizal.

Sa koran, di tinatanggap na nagpakamatay si Kristo sa krus at di tinatanggap ng mga muslim ang pagiging diyos ni Kristo kasi iisa lang ang diyos. Tapos me Holy Spirit pa.

Dapat nagpakamatay na lang ang lahat ng apostles pati rin si Virgin Mary para mas matindi ang epekto, kung gusto talaga nilang tumatak sa kasaysayan. Wala pa ring epek yun.

Atsaka sa bible, me power si Kristo, kaya nyang gumawa ng milagro - kahit nga siguro buong mundo kaya nyang pakainin ng sabay-sabay para wala nang magutom. Kahit ako kung me ganung power ako, pupunta agad ako sa PGH at gagamutin lahat ng may sakit. Atsaka overrated na si Jesus Christ.

Sabi pa ng kaibigan kong pastor ng born again, magsisisi na daw ako at tanggapin si Kristo sa buhay ko bilang panginoon at tagapagligtas kung ayaw kong mapunta sa impyerno.

Next time, mag-feature naman tayo ng ibang personality bukod kay Jesus Christ.

Nice one Stiban! That is why ang mga muslim mahirap maconvert kase sa aking limited knowledge of Qur-an, mas logical ang mga events dun.hehe. But I still am an agnostic.

Quran is logical?

surely, you’re joking, people.

islam doesn’t accept christ not because christ is inferior and islam “logical” or vice versa, but because christ belongs to a different “brand” — it’s like pepsi and coke — they’re both sodas, they both can eventually kill you, but that doesn’t stop their spinmeisters from doing spectacular things tearing out each other’s shit, even if essentially they’re similar.

it’s all entertainment. these different religions answer to different human needs in the same way we respond to specific kinds of music, visual cues, or stimuli — different strokes for different folks, so they say. after all, the human being is the most complex of animals. we’re basically crazy.

do i sound so serious or what?

mas marami pang mabait na tao kaysa kay Jesus Christ.

ILAN KAYA? DEPENDE SA DEFINITION MO SIGURO NG MABAIT.

Malabo pa rin yung pagpapakamatay ni Kristo sa krus. Ano sense nun? Tapos nabuhay din pagkatapos ng tatlong araw? Ano yun? Ano pa yung weight ng pagkakamatay nya? Kaya siguro di sya pumalag nung hulihin sya.

HISTORICALLY DOCUMENTED YUNG PAGKAMATAY NYA SA KRUS. SAME THING WITH THE THOUSAND OF OTHER “CRIMINALS” NA PINAKO NG MGA ROMANS DURING THAT TIME. THE SENSE OF HIS DEATH IS IN FULFILLMENT OF THE JEWISH SCRIPTURES. YUNG SACRIFICE NYA TO DIE FOR THE SINS OF MANKIND, JUST TO PROVE NA HE IS WILLING TO GIVE HIMSELF UP BECAUSE HE LOVES US, YUN LAHAT YUNG RASON KUNG BAKIT HINDI SYA TUMAKBO AT NAGTAGO. YUNG PAGKABUHAY NYA IS ALSO TO FULFILL THE PROPHECIES OF THE JEWISH SCRIPTURES, TO PROVE THAT HE WILL CONQUER DEATH.

Mas matapang pa nga si Rizal.

DUH? BAKIT KAYA?

Sa koran, di tinatanggap na nagpakamatay si Kristo sa krus at di tinatanggap ng mga muslim ang pagiging diyos ni Kristo kasi iisa lang ang diyos. Tapos me Holy Spirit pa.

ACTUALLY, KORAN ACKNOWLEDGES THAT JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS. THEY SEE HIM AS A PROPHET SO THEY KNOW THAT “HE WAS SLAUGHTERED LIKE A LAMB” AS AN OFFERING. YOU HAVE A POINT WHEN YOU SAY NA HINDI NILA TINATANGGAP SI KRISTO NA DIYOS, ONLY THAT HE IS A PROPHET LIKE/EQUAL TO MOHAMMED. JUST LIKE THE JEWS AND THE CHRISTIANS, MUSLIMS BELIEVE THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD. YUNG HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT A GOD, TECHNICALLY, BUT A PERSON. ONE GOD IN THREE PERSONS, FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT.

Dapat nagpakamatay na lang ang lahat ng apostles pati rin si Virgin Mary para mas matindi ang epekto, kung gusto talaga nilang tumatak sa kasaysayan. Wala pa ring epek yun.

DUH? WALANG EPEK? I DO NOT KNOW. TELL ME OF AN EVENT THAT HAS INFLUENCED HISTORY FOR THE PAST 2000 YEARS. PLUS, MERELY DYING IS NOT SIGNIFICANT IF BEREFT OF MEANING. AFTER ALL THOUSANDS DIE EVERYDAY AND FOR DIFFERENT REASONS. WITH THE DEATH OF JESUS THE MAN, CAME THE FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE. OTHER MARTYRS FOLLOWED SUIT IN THEIR SACRIFICE, TOO, SO THERE WAS THAT EFFECT. AGAIN, THE ACT OF DYING ITSELF DOES NOT IMPACT MANKIND, BUT THE REASON BEHIND THE SACRIFICE.

Atsaka sa bible, me power si Kristo, kaya nyang gumawa ng milagro - kahit nga siguro buong mundo kaya nyang pakainin ng sabay-sabay para wala nang magutom. Kahit ako kung me ganung power ako, pupunta agad ako sa PGH at gagamutin lahat ng may sakit. Atsaka overrated na si Jesus Christ.

THE BIBLE IS ONE OF THE MANY COMPILED WRITTEN ACCOUNTS OF JESUS WHILE ON EARTH. IT STATES THAT JESUS HAS POWER OVER DEATH AND HAS CURED THE SICK AND CAST OUT DEMONS. THE SICK DURING THOSE TIMES WERE DEFINED SICK BECAUSE THEY WERE SEEN AS “UNCLEAN”. MORE THAN CURING THE SICK, JESUS WENT TO PROVE THAT HE HAS POWER TO CLEANSE PEOPLE OF THEIR GUILT AND FORGIVE THEIR SINS. WHILE YOU MAY BE GIVEN THE POWER TO CURE THE SICK, LIKE DOCTORS SOMEHOW, YOU WILL NEVER HAVE THAT POWER TO FORGIVE THE ORIGINAL SIN WITHOUT THE AUTHORITY FROM GOD. SINCE CHRIST CAME TO SAVE MANKIND FROM ITS’ SIN, HE DID THAT ULTIMATELY BY DYING AND RISING UP FROM THE DEAD. IT WAS NOT HIS FOREMOST JOB TO CURE THE SICK, BUT HE DID THAT TOO. YOU SAY OVERRATED? WELL I DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN.

Sabi pa ng kaibigan kong pastor ng born again, magsisisi na daw ako at tanggapin si Kristo sa buhay ko bilang panginoon at tagapagligtas kung ayaw kong mapunta sa impyerno.

MAYBE YOU SHOULD FIND YOUR OWN TRUTH FIRST. IT MAY BE NOT BE IN A RELIGION. IT MAY BE IN A CAUSE. I GUESS WHAT MATTERS IS THAT YOU LIVE YOUR LIFE TO THE GREATEST GOOD IT CAN BRING, BOTH TO YOURSELF AND TO OTHERS. NEVER MIND THE FEAR OF HELL.

Next time, mag-feature naman tayo ng ibang personality bukod kay Jesus Christ.

CAN YOU NAME ONE? IT IS ALWAYS NICE TO KNOW SOMETHING NEW.

Have you guys even bothered reading the quran?

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm

Doesn’t seem logical to me. Ex.
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/contra/by_name.html

Mabuti nang malaman ang katotohanan ngayon kesa magpaloko sa dikta ng relihiyon. kesa naman yung natatakot at naghihintay tayo sa wala.

Tanging sa bible at bible lang ang malinaw na reference kay kristo, walang ibang libro o historian na nakapagpatunay sa mga nangyari sa bible.

Mas marami pang mabait kay Kristo.

hindi ako sumasakay sa Koran, binanggit ko lang ito kasi sa bible din galing ang Koran pero iba ang nilalaman nila. For comparison lang sa bible. diko naman kasi pwedeng i-compare sa FHM magazine ang bible. Mas maganda pa nga ang Koran kesa bible kasi iisa lang ang Islam, solid walang faction.

di gaya nung mga naniniwala sa bible na kristyano, dami nilang interpretation. ilan na ba break away group sa atin? me iglesia, me jil, me 7th day adventist, dating daan, at sangkaterba pang nagbabangayang religion na sila raw ang tama.

puro pananakot lang ang bible lalo na sa Old Testament. bugnutin ang Diyos sa Old Testament. pagkatapos tayung takutin sa OT, yung solution naman para mawala ang takot ang binigat ng New TEstament. parang mga nagbebenta ng herbal tea, papanoorin muna syo yung mga kung anu-anung sakit para matakot yung mga manunuod nito kya sa huli, ubos ang paninda nilang tsaa. Faith comes fron Fear.

at ano yung original sin? di pa ako buhay nung time ni Adan. malay ko sa kasalanang di ko ginawa. parang mga pinoy, di pa sinisilang, me sasaluhin nang foreign debt ng bansa.

di si Kristo ang nag-influenze sa mundo sa loob ng 2000 years. Ang RELIGION at ANG TAKOT SA GALIT NG DIYOS, ito ang nagpaikot at nagpahilo sa maraming civilization sa buong mundo sa loob ng 10,000 years at higit pa. Sa mga Incas, Mayans, Egyptians, Greeks, at sa mga ninuno nating sumamba sa mga bathala ng kung anu-ano.

After 2000 years mula ngayon, posibleng pagtawanan tayo ng mga future descendants natin na para bang mga Greeks tyo na sumamba kay Zeus at Poseidon.

at yung mga future descendants natin, posibleng na-hack na nila ang human dna para mabuhay sila ng isang libong taon o higit pa. so why fear death? if there is no more death, there is no need to fear God.

mas matapang si Rizal kasi alam nyang di sya mabubuhay pagkatapos syang barilin.

Overrated na si Kristo kasi 2000 years na nating syang pinag-uusapan.

…at hanggang ngayon, miserable pa rin ang buhay natin dito sa mundo.

* Mas maganda pa nga ang Koran kesa bible kasi iisa lang ang Islam, solid walang faction.

- yeah right. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divisions_of_Islam

* at yung mga future descendants natin, posibleng na-hack na nila ang human dna para mabuhay sila ng isang libong taon o higit pa. so why fear death? if there is no more death, there is no need to fear God.

- Even if nahack natin human dna, at di na tayo tumatanda, pwede pa rin tayong mamatay due to kapabayaan, hatred, resource limitations etc. there is no way to avoid death.

- Although I’m an atheist and am liking Buddhist philosophy right now, what I like about Christianity is the focus on individual and group development.

For example, meron silang youth camps, meetings, etc. upang maging mas close pa ang mga miyembro nila sa isa’t isa. Sa indibidwal naman, malakas ang pagtutulungan nila at training sa mga nanampalataya sa mga christian groups tulad ng YFC na natutulungan pa nga silang makapagaral ng mabuti o maiwasan ang gumawa ng mga masasamang bagay at napapadali silang makahanap ng syotang kilalang kilala na nila.

Samantala sa atheism, mahirap ata tayo magkaisa kasi paibaiba tayo ng paninimpalataya.

Yun ata ang kaibahan ng atheismo sa kristiyanismo. Mas mahirap humiwalay sa kristyanismo kasi lahat ng mga kaibigan mong miyembro din dun, lahat ng pinagsamahan nyo, lahat ng mga eksperiyensya nyo, e parang binalewala mo na lang, samantala sa atheismo halos wala lang kung umalis ka sa grupo nila. Yun nga ata ang dahilan kaya kahit anong debate, pagpapaliwanag at pruwebang itapon natin sa kanila, di talaga natin sila makukuha kasi maraming mawawala sa kanila.

* at yung mga future descendants natin, posibleng na-hack na nila ang human dna para mabuhay sila ng isang libong taon o higit pa. so why fear death? if there is no more death, there is no need to fear God.

Oh and yeah, human genome has been completed since 2003. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2940601.stm

however each of us here calls our god/s (or even the atheist view of no-god), it all boils down to how we morally lead our lives.

being human is that religious quest for how we truly treat ourselves, others and the world we live in. in thoughts, in words, and in deeds.

we don’t need a name or a label for it. heck, we don’t need to build fancy churches or ordain corruptible priests to prove our religion.

in the end, we are the church, we are our religion.

imagine…

is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able, and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God.

– Epicurus

There is so much fuss and excitement about the physical death of a relative or an associate or a friend. Nobody, however, gives a damn about the mental death of our children in our schools, colleges, and universities. Especially those taught never to think critically and learn to be independent fearlessly and to be useful creatively especially for love of country and love of fellow-Filipinos Poch Suzara

Please do not misunderstand me. I’m not saying religion is all evil. It has its uses. Each time I feel I want my self-respect insulted, I turn to holy bible verses written by superstitious primitives of centuries ago. It’s a good thing, however, that I study the bible not to find answers, but to seek for myself better kinds of questions. After all, that is what critical reading under the joy of endless learning is all about. Poch Suzara

Faith is not wanting to know what is true. indeed, a man of faith is a like a drunkard clinging to a lamppost for support, not illumination.
For my part, I do not care to believe. I want to discover. to explore. To examine. Indeed, to know.
In the meantime, for me to believe in God because God believes in me is the recourse of a religious moron at home with infantile pursuits. Poch Suzara

we share the same biology, regardless of ideology

there is no monopoly of common sense of either side of the political (or religious) fence

–from sting’s russian

respect life’s diversity. practice faith. love life. oust gloria.

“on” either side pala hehe…wala kasing “edit” function eh

For the mediocre, the highest form of religion is the one that’s based upon mediocrity. The theologians, who are always unworthy of human intelligence, prefer to call it - Christianity. The bible writers called it having faith in divinity. In the end, it is really about the different levels of heavenly felicity, but nevertheless simplified as the complexity of mediocrity. Poch Suzara

The holy bible is responsible for more heresy, atheism, agnosticism, disbelief - call it what you like - than any other book ever published.
For my part, messages from the Old and the New Testament both encouraged me to extricate myself out of the Catholic Church. And as I happily excommunicated myself, I saved not my stupid soul; but saved instead my precious mind and heart to carry on living the good life – one inspired by knowledge and guided by love. Poch Suzara